I would say the PS2 is still worth it for Dante alone, but if comparing the two version, I would say the cube version is still the superior verson. The cube has slightly superior visuals but more important has the better controls, it just feels a whole load better/responsive dishing out pain on the cube pad than the DS2 pad.

Saying that, I would still buy the PS2 version for the extras (mentioned above) and because it's still an awesome game.

I've just come off of a 3 hour Joe love in (cube version). And I have some questions.

1. Do peeps use the dpad for movement as I'm finding this more responsive than the wiggly stick

2. What is the deal with Joe upgrades?

3. Why is this game so darn good?

Nien - Stick only, only thing I refuse to use is the C-Stick for Zoom, B button all the way for that.

Which ones? - a couple examples would be;

Viewtiful Forever - While in Slow and Joe's in the middle of a Matrix dodge, Zoom-In. Joe will explode into a pose and damage all enemies nearby.

Ukemi - this is a safe fall, hit Zoom when you just hit the floor after being knocked down and you flip back up immediately. You can it in realtime or use Slow while falling to make the timing easier. You notice the hearts come off when you hit the floor on when you take the hit? - Try safe-falling and see what happens

If you look at the label next time you wash it you see it's made from 100% pure Hoff(TM).

We gotta hook up for a Worshipful Joe session!

About the two versions, either is essential - the PS2 version may not be as lush as the Cube, and the pad doesnt have that same Joe feeling the Cube one does....but it doesnt matter because Dante's in it.

VJ needs player to learn all moves correctly, understand Hero-timing Game is full time investment too because player needs to be well practiced to play corrrectly. It is not hard and practice makes game easy, it demands full attention. It is a clever game but not one a player can do well with casual play (3 hours!)

But I own up to not completing it properly! My RGB cable is faulty, I can not play in B/W

my brain might snap if I tried Vjoe and God Hand within minutes of each other.

I never managed to integrate the Zoom into my play very well at all. It may have been faffing with the C Stick... I basically got addicted to that building before you met Hulk Davidson... Don't think you had Zoom at that point.

It's all about finishing Normal so you can start again with all of yu0r Joeness ready from the beginning. I'm addicted to Davidson's hotel aswell (it's the only one I've put up on YouTube so far), infact any of the early stages with a full set of abilities is pure carnage and far too good to be legal.

I couldnt get my head round Zoom when they initially show you the Tutorial and tell you it's on the C-Stick. That's blatantly THE worst way to use it - think of it as a shift key on B Button and it'll flow perfectly and become essential very quickly.

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This weekend goal is to "1 Credit"/"No continue" the first level of God Hand (I'm nowhere near it).... then for rest and relaxation play a bit of VJoe.... thanks for this thread Mads, I'll be wanting a new pair of hands.

Everyone up in this thread is Viewtiful!

Playing through VJ until I finally took down the last level boss on V-Rated was without doubt the best time I've had playing videogames.

Now I know VJ2 doesn't get as much love, but Clover Studio's had me under surveillance during the whole of that period (observed my dedication to the art of Heroness) and discovered that I no longer had the amount of free time needed for another sprawling adventure.

Thus The 5th Chamber was created.

I could honestly rinse that for the rest of my days and never EVER get bored.

It's the amount of heroness on these boards that made me fire up Joe the other night and really sink my teeth into it for the first time.

I totally agree about the c-stick zoom, it's completely redundant, B button is where it's at. I was getting my arse handed to me by the chopper at the end of level one, so I went back and started on Kids difficulty (I know lame), but I think that is actually helping my game to improve and will save me from having to work out puzzles in Adult mode later. I got through to the hotel on Kids without needing to use a credit, not sure how far through the game that is, but it's plain sailing at that difficulty. I'm not rinsing every stage yet, only clocking some Viewtiful ratings. I mostly lose out on V-points which I assume is style related.

I'm struggling with the chopper on Adult though I can get him down to 25% health, but I'm obviously missing a trick. I know I need to get in close when he launches missiles or have the screen cleared of SEBs as the missiles lock on to the nearest enemy. I actually fell through the staircase once and was able to walk around under the stairs (odd).

I know I can do better. I might switch to using the stick as I find myself jumping and ducking unintentionally with my fat thumb on the dpad

HORI Snes pad!

That would be totally freaking rocking.

I HAVE to try that tonight.

I tried with the HORI Stick, but L and R was too complicated

One question for the Joe elite. Is there a cue to tell you whether the pink spinning worlwind enemies are going to attack high or low? I notice you can prempt the attack by guessing a direction, but I'm guessing there's some visual or audio clue I'm missing to get it right 100% of the time.

Dont play Kids Mode man - you'll miss most of what makes this game great and end up finishing it, diminishing your drive to play the real game even further!

You are missing a trick with the Helicopter -

1. It can only fire diagonally fowards with the machine gun, so just stay under it.

2. When it releases enemies at you, dodge-stun them and then punch/kick them AT the helicopter. Two or 3 hits is all it takes, once you get Slow+Zoom+punch you can kick a stunned enemy into any flying vehicle in the game and then all following hits with Slow+Zoom+punch will take about the same damage again.

So just run at the thing - let it fire while you're under it. It drops the enemies - stun them - then punch them at the helicopter. Remember that Punches will send enemies in a + shape (vertical or horizontal) and kicks a X shape (diagonals).

They have the same markers as regular enemies - just let them spin and then either duck or jump depending if the marker is high or low. Also note that if you are surrounded by opposing markers - hit Zoom twice to quickly Zoom in then out - this will throw them out of whack so you can easily dodge.

You can use pre-cognition to instantly stun enemies, but seriously leave it for now until your Heroness is fully awakened!
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Cool,

I figured the helicopter would be something to do with the enemies. I'm not utilising them correctly then. I fugured out the + and X slow punch and slow kick moves, so I probably would have figured it by accident eventually.

I will ditch Kids mode and start again on Adult , besides Kids really wasn't pushing me.

I did come to a sort of epithany this morning over breakfast. I realised for the first time that I'm actually not shit at these games. I've always had a sort of mental block telling me I couldn't play this type of game to a level where I could be pleased, or rather proud of my performance. Last night made me realise that there is heroness inside me I just need to dig deep to find it and then nurture it.

Henshin a go-go baby!

Mads will wake up tomorrow looking like this:

Wonderful! - please tell me you threw the table over and gazed at your hands with a face of shock and awe - PLEASE!!

You may undergo some changes - but dont worry, it's normal. For example even while indoors your long flowing garms will billow int he wind (even if there isnt any). Suddenly - standing like this while waiting for the bus may start to seem perfectly natural;

Whenever I feel my Heroness awaken I jump-kick random people walking past my flat, just to be sure.

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we don't have a table in the kitchen. The precise moment was when I swung the fridge door open to take out the milk, you can put whatever mental image you like to that.

I fucking love that JoJo stuff. I dream of reading books, holding it with one hand, fingers all bent into improbable angles. I think I can just about pull it off.

ANYTHING I like!??! - *zones out*........... O_O - man that was like when Dante realised he pwned and ran down the side of that tower!!!

I've managed to contort into some seriously complicated limb configurations trying to smoke my joint Jojo style! XD

When you go out to eat - this is VITAL!

Detail (note you hold the bowl with your hand behind your back);

Correct use of chopsticks;

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I think N64 RGB lead works but picture is darker but at least in colour. All discussion on VJ makes me want play and to be a hero!

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That Hori pad is THE best for Joe. It just feels so tight.
And I'm defo feelin' the love for Chamber 5. Where the main game of VJ2 falls down, this baby soars. Heck, the chambers are a whole game themselves.

Thats too funny.

Shit man you need to get one of Saur's Heroness Cables. Played against Alastar, lightening came out of the TV and melted my eyeballs.

They really shouldn't have had Kids Mode on VJ at all, let alone that Revised version that has Sweet Mode. Anybody caught playing either of them should be schooled immediately! The helicopter is tough because it wont allow you to progress until some of your Heroness has been awakened - basically use the enemies as weapons. Damn it I need to go home right now and play VJ on Ultra V-Rated o_O

I think I have Saurian cable that I buy off a game forum. Picture is funny like colours are broken like odd banding. I try and take picture it is hard to describe I play VJ tonight regardless!

PAL version has a very easy mode?

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Sorry for derail topic.

That is picture I get with RGB cable

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Can't really tell from that, apart from the reflection of a lamp on the right

Are you sure the TV is switched to RGB mode? Is the problem that you get areas in grey?

You see banding yes? That is problem it should be smooth. I take picture with light off with friend RGB lead (I borrow for VJ)

Much better.

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I am not so hero tonight. I am 'Baaaaad' but close enough? So near yet so far

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Spag,

go easy on me dude, my heroness is in it's infancy

Cleared the chopper no problem though. Amazing what a little hint from Saur can unleash.

Its the Japanese version that came out (can't remember if it was at a budget price) called VJ Revival which featured a difficulty mode below 'Kids' called 'Sweet'. I would hope it was aimed at pre-schoolers.

Well done on clearing the chopper - the V rainbow just got a little bit brighter!

Got home ready for a session then realised I've lent out my freeloader

I find it hard tonight but I am experimenting with the fighting so I do not mind. Zoom seems to make game easier. Red hot one hundred is very cool. I play through Hulk's place the once and got killed but then played it again from save and fighting was different, I use lots of zoom this time and got a bonus for not getting hit I fight Hulk and win!

I think Saurian said he have save for each level. I do same and already do better on one save and have lots of V-points for more moves.

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Phew! I have to 'Try Again' which put skull next to save but I continue to play anyway I defeat shark last night!

I play on Adult too. Also I fix RGB lead with loose wire.

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Well done fixing your RGB lead -

I need to start playing V Joe again but Godhand wont leave me alone!
Found an old video my friend did of the fight against Gran Bruce, it's an effective method.

http://www.yousendit.com/download/8hcrO96coxM%3D

It's his method against the final boss which is absolutely amazing though - I'll dig that out if you guys want to see it when you're fighting him!

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I know the vid your talking about - I had to use that in the end cos he was raping me on V-rated. Once you see the meth though its just a matter of listening out for the audio and hoping your thumbs respond fast enough! The first form of that Boss fight is so tight, you need to be a perfect cog in all of that crazy action.

I couldnt work that fight out at all - I'll be the first to admit I had to skank him out with Voomerangs!

It's that business about staying still when all hell is breaking loose around you, I never would have seen that in a million years!

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Its like when a wasp is buzzing around your head and somebody says - 'Just keep still' - goes against your survival instincts innit!

He a proper Hero for sussin that though.

Yes please. (^_^) More Heroness!

I need some more basic advice, like how do you fire a Voomerang? I've purchased a bunch, but can't work out how to make use of them. It's got to be some sort of button combo, but I'm still stumped :?
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Voomerang is hold down the punch button iirc.

I couldn't find a use for it though.

Didn't get round to hookinh this up at the weekend, was uncling.

I can not help you because I have not bought any yet! The shop has description of how to use yes? I save up and buy Ukemi which is helping a little.

Any videos are help though thank you I try and concentrate on VJ as I have DMC3:SE and Killer 7 next. It is hard going but very good fun. I will not give in! I get red VFX jar last night and unleash lots of RHOH and other moves on submarine enemy with yellow suit. I had lots of Viewtiful points and laugh a lot.

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I havent posted much up for Viewtiful Joe yet - but here's what I have;

Charles III - Voomerang/Shocking Pink instant pwn -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKCXmOzXvgc

You hold down punch for Voomerang and Kick for Shocking Pink. Manipulating time changes the effects, Voomerang has a two stage charge. The Voomerang really comes into it's own when you fight against Another Joe - when he splits up into multiple images just fire off a Voomerang which will home in on all the images keeping you safe.

Movement, enemy setups and combo methods -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_YpZxIC69o

You guys are more than likely way in advance of this but I did a write-up for Eurogamer which goes into detail about screwing with the movement;

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=58800

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Red Potion Bottles = 9999 Vs

How are you getting on with the Black Ninja goons with the shock helmets - have you sussed out their patterns of attack?

Yeah man -

It's marked, marked - opposite, opposite.

So suppose for example the markers are up then down - the whole thing will be up, down, up down.

If you get another way such as down, down - the whole sequence will be down, down, up, down.

The variation of these enemies that carry guns - just give em one punch to make them drop the gun then they act EXACTLY like this initial type.

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I have a feeling that will be a big help. I'll have to re-read it with the video when I get home. Thanks .

V-points is by far the weakest area of my game, I totally didn't understand the combo system, so this info is essential.

I dont think the video works anymore -

That one I put up on YouTube uses all the same stuff in the article though - it doesnt show as many different enemy types but it definetly shows the flexibility of the system.

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Not to worry, your description is clear and concise anyway. I will have to try some of this out next time I play. The cancelling will be very useful indeed as presently I'm dropping momentarily out of slow to change directions.
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I was in Tokyo when this game was being pimped up, but I had to leave the day before it came out, and nobody would let me have it early

There were some wicked displays about, and some way cool Joe punch bags doing the rounds. The shot below is from one of the bigger displays on the shop fronts, with some serious heroness going down.

Without doubt one of my favourite games of recent times.

Mmmmmm. Look at all that Hero goodness. I've got one of them posters on my wall. The missus has been told, when we move into our own place, it's going above the mantelpiece. Then all visitors can feel the VJ love. (^_^)

Oh dear -- I try to beat other Joe last night and it took me lots of goes but I did it XD I try and do it fast but it not work too well as I do not understand pattern so I take it easy and defeat him.

I find out something else in that if I slow as enemy is going to attack, he show move so I know how to position Joe for attack. Suddenly I find 'hard' bad guys very easy like the yellow suit men

I need Viewtiful desktop now! Clover website is blocked but I find this.

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All the different bad guys have their own ways of attacking, but the game will always let you know how to evade by giving you markers.

Like with those big yellow suit baddies - when they shout, they jump over you soon after. So duck down when they shout, then let them jump over you - stand behind them and (Slow + zoom-in + down + punch) - for rapid uppercut. This kills them VERY quickly!

The Heroness can awaken in any creature!

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Are heroes still playing viewtiful game? I beat easy boss tonight Alaster but felt like hero because I figured out easy way to beat him and he is defeated very quickly. I got 'V'-rating :jawdrop: I set him on fire and he dizzy in water but I hit him again and he dizzy again. So I keep doing same and he is shocked by my viewtiful moves hehe.

I do moves like Joe when I see 'V' rating. I play some more now because I sneak a go on DMC3 and that is looking very cool waiting for me so I have to finish soon

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Hehe,

nice, I've taken a small break from Joe to finish Prime. Clocked another two hours on it tonight. I'm now in the Phazon mines
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http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Spagmasterswift

Off work sick as a dawg today so thought I would try and see if I could use my camera to video stuff off the TV and while the picture is pretty ghetto, its worked!

Just a note on that first test vid - my Freeloader is on loan to a mate so that clip is from the PS2 version which I can't stand the pad for, so you'll notice some sploppy play and some weak Red Hot Kick movement. Will get some 5th Chamber goodness up on there next week once I got my disc back - Cube pad is just soooo TIGHT for VJ