"Gradius V isn't a patch on the original!" and other insane statements
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Submitted by Treble on Mon, 15/08/2005 - 10:56

Ever play a sequel, or game in the same canon but by a different devco, and think "Nah, this ain't a patch on the original"? Ever hear people on forums say, "This new version is bobbins compared to Company X's handiwork"? Yeah, well, most of the time that's BOLLOCKS. Seriously, the amount of work those good ole Rose Tinted specs do is incredible. They should be working for the UN.

Take, for example, F-Zero. Go back and play the original - it's a great game and hasn't aged badly because it's good, solid 2D with excellent track design. Now, read peoples' impressions of F-Zero GX. Mostly, it's people saying "Not as good as F-Zero X". Well, have you played X recently, or is this the further work of the Rose Tinted eyeware? FZX not only looks eye-wateringly bad these days, but the controls are so obtuse and inexact, they look like an early experiment in analogue design.

Another case: Half life. People got their hands on the new game, played it, weighed it against their stock memory of playing the original 5 years before and found it lacking. Well, play the first game again now and see how much was stolen from it and bettered by subsequent games. There's nothing in HL1 that hasn't been improved on in, say, Halo1, whereas there's tons in HL2 that no-one else has even got close to yet.

Now, you may disagree with me about either of these examples, but my point is: replay these things. Don't measure your opinion of a game against its predecessor - a predecessor you have a romanticised view of because you haven't played it in years. Compare games by playing them, don't compare current experiences with your ephemeral memories from the past. Rant over Tongue

So, have you done this? Unfavourably compared a current game to a past one then played the original and realised you were looking through a blurry haze of memory and now realise that..well...the old game's actually really dated and pretty shit?

Posted: Mon, 15/08/2005 - 12:09

I don't tend to have this problem so much as I was late to console gaming. As a result when I discover a series it's usually through the most recent installment and I then have to go back to the earlier games to at least dabble and work out what all the fuss was about.

I agree though that a lot of the time the rose specs do come into play and I think that's quite a natural thing really. Often it's the way a game made us feel back in the day that colours our objectivity, often on repeat play these feelings are no longer there and the games no longer stand up.

Having said that there are numerous examples where the original installment in a series has never been bettered.

Madbury

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Posted: Mon, 15/08/2005 - 16:13

Sometimes I think this comes about due to people's percieved perceptions of where they think the game should've gone in the on going iterations.

Mario Kart is a good example, it's kinda gone from a tight gokart game and is now a party game, the argument being that the tight racing game was an accident or not what Nintendo really wanted it to be?

As for straight sequel updates, OutRun and OutRun2? Same game? or not? If you called OutRun2 says SlideRacerFerrari would you say it was a sequel, maybe thats another bad example...

Elite and Elite 2, kinda the same universe but noway the same game.

I suppose we should be ooking at the games and induviduals on their own right instead of a sequencial versioning system.... of course EA are very good at sequencial versioning must be FIFA 1.30.1 by now?

JibberX

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Posted: Mon, 15/08/2005 - 21:21

But FZX is better than GX, rose tinted glasses or not. I do agree with your sentiment Treble but I played both versions within a week period of one another and still prefer X.

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Posted: Tue, 16/08/2005 - 08:34

Heh, then you're a crazy fool! Wink
Point is, you actually played the two and made a comparison. Most people use incomplete memory to judge the two, and it's often wrong.

X and GX are difficult to compare: one's a Ninty game through-and-through and one's a Sega game through-and-through. I despised X, love Sega racing games, and therefore loved GX. Still, it's all a matter of opinion. It just helps if people form an opinion of games from actually replaying them rather than going by hazy memories of yesteryear Smile

[Fun fact: generally, Treble doesn't really like Nintendo games. Out of all the Zeldas I only like Ocarina; I like the Mario games, Pilotwings (SFC) and Wave Race (N64) but that's about it. I didn't get on well with Super Metroid but love Metroid Prime....which was a Retro Studios game. So, there you go.]

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Posted: Tue, 16/08/2005 - 08:44

Heck, yes I said heck, some people haven't even played the original to even accurately compare to the newer version... but that's just plebs for you, people working off hearsay and recieved opinion.

Here's one. The BurnOut series, a recent one, no "purple haze" but y'know... arguably the first one is the best... but that was when it was trying to be a Need for Speed clone, before it went it's own way... much like the Mario Kart analogy.

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Posted: Tue, 16/08/2005 - 08:51

Aye, that was a good point, the MK one. Some devs change the course of the game to provide the variety gamers mostly scream for then, when they do, they get howled at for changing the series from its roots >_<

I suppose getting the right balance between innovation and retaining the feel of the original is a tricky task.

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Posted: Tue, 16/08/2005 - 09:05

Funny though, when I got Mario Kart on the GBA, it literally was the same game, updated graphics, new tracks, old tracks locked.... essentially Mario Kart 2, do I own it now, do I play it every waking hour? no! I played it for a morning, completed it, then never touched it again... maybe that was just me?

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Posted: Tue, 16/08/2005 - 09:38

Yeah but MK was always about head to head gaming either in race or battle mode. I'm not surprised you weren't feeling it in single player.

I don't really understand why everyone got their knickers in a bunch over double dash. It's an absolute blast as a lan party game.

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