Are Hentai Games Evil?
Madbury's picture
Submitted by Madbury on Wed, 09/03/2005 - 12:20

As always a bit slow on the uptake, but it occured to me last week that Hentai isn't necessarily as evil as it is often protrayed.

First of all lets get one thing straight all porn is lies. It's all fantasy and utterly bollocks. However what grates with me is that largely it's an industry which feeds off of the souls and minds of those who participate in it. In other words the pornstars themselves are being exploited in the worst way possible.

Hentai on the otherhand despite its often dubious subject matter doesn't involve real people at all. You can't exploit a drawing. In someway this makes it less disturbing than real pornography.

Posted: Wed, 09/03/2005 - 18:07

its a tricky one.

Porn in theory is the work of consenting adults, and as such seems as if it should be completely reasonable. Also, porn and hentai both explore complete fantasy, as you say, and I don't believe you can limit people's imagination in anyway. I also think if someone wants to share their work, no matter what it is, then that should not and connot reasonably be censored.

Whats difficult is the subject matter, and in the case of porn the willingness of participants. If by publishing hentai featuring rape, then might you be assuring a certain group of people that this is 'ok'? Similarly porn involving humiliating or degrading acts theoretically should be consentual, but it is no where near as clear cut as that.

I can't remember the name of the documentary, but there was something on C4 a couple of years ago about a British girl moving to the States to make porn, who ended up being seriously cajoled into filming with 'Max Hardcore', during which she broke down... in theory she could have walked away, but felt compelled to continue or else she might not find any other work.

No really played any Hentai games, but I've read the reviews on something awful. The really wacky stuff is not exactly offensive (in the way some porn is), just completely odd and surprising. So out there, in fact, that you can't imagine them being dangerous at all.

I guess it all comes down to how impressionable you believe people are, but if you attempt to censor based on that then you will always be able to find someone that can be offended or affected by something.

I suppose I just about go along with the idea that anything is permissable, even if that can sometimes (inevitably) be unpleasant.

Papercut

Papercut's picture

Posted: Thu, 10/03/2005 - 10:37

I assume based on the rest of your post that the caveat to your closing statement is "provided it is between consenting persons of sound mind".

That basically rules out anything that is abusive or just plain wrong (snuff movies).

I've never played a Hentai game, but I'd be willing to give them a go if I could read Japanese. Its funny though that the whole Hentai thing has sprung out of Japans agressive censorship of real porn.

Madbury

Madbury's picture

Posted: Thu, 10/03/2005 - 12:48
Madbury wrote:

I assume based on the rest of your post that the caveat to your closing statement is "provided it is between consenting persons of sound mind".

Yeah Smile

A handful of the less extreme Hentai titles do actually get translated to English on PC, and tend to be completely uncensored. There is a whole bunch of em here:

http://www.jlist.com/HENTAI/

Interesting disclaimer (when you look at 'Lets Meow Meow!' or 'Tea Society of a Witch'):

http://www.jlist.com/what_bishoujoenglish.html

Also, Something Awful reviews of games jlist don't sell:

http://www.somethingawful.com/hentai/

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=479

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=342

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=332

Papercut

Papercut's picture

Posted: Thu, 10/03/2005 - 13:16

Ta, I'll check those links out. --- AT HOME Smile ---

Madbury

Madbury's picture

Posted: Thu, 10/03/2005 - 13:28

eh-he, good edit.

oops, should have pointed out the nsfw-ness of those links, sorry.

Papercut

Papercut's picture

Posted: Thu, 10/03/2005 - 13:35

Thats ok,

I didn't click. I've already been dragged up once at work for infringements of the corporate internet policy. (ahem).

Madbury

Madbury's picture

Posted: Thu, 10/03/2005 - 13:48

Hentai games, aren't they just interactive cartoon porn? I'm a bit hazy on the genre.

JibberX

JibberX's picture

Posted: Thu, 10/03/2005 - 14:32

Well yes afaik, but have you ever actually played one?

I'm just curious that is all. There are so many of these damned games it can't all be tripe. Can it?

Madbury

Madbury's picture

Posted: Wed, 23/07/2008 - 14:01

I'm sure you'll get different answers from people who really like hentai but compared to porn it's not real. Where porn isn't anything like calling up some london escorts for a good time.

miket


Posted: Wed, 23/07/2008 - 17:40

One of the guys behind Steel Battalion stated in an interview that he doesn't think there's anything wrong with hentai games in general:

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=19089

And I completely agree; there are loads of great books and films and songs about sex, and there's no reason games should be any different.

But despite that, I really don't have any desire to go looking around for good hentai games myself. I'm sure they're not all terrible, but from the looks of the games linked earlier in the thread I'd have to click through hundreds of hours of hikikomori wish fulfillment and physically impossible fetishes before I'd find something that won't make me depressed. I guess I'll just wait for someone else to do the dirty work (pun intended) and recommend something.

On a side note, a strange Japan-only phenomenon is that of adding arbitrary hentai to normal games as a cheap way of improving sales. Between levels, you'll end up being shown a pair of anime tits only tenuously linked to the game's narrative; It's the game equivalent of slapping a completely unnecessary sex scene into the middle of a generic action film. This tactic unsurprisingly tends to be used to make people interested in bad games, but it's been used with a few decent ones too:

Night Slave (PC98) - 2D mecha shooty Assault Suits Valken thing
http://insomnia.ac/reviews/pc-9800series/nightslave/

Duel Savior series - fighting game with simplified controls and an emphasis on movement, a la viewtiful joe/smash bros
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V82LhHjD1yY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3XAqws670w
http://blog.seiha.org/?p=714

Spanner-chan/Ushi Da! - megaman zero mixed with silhouette mirage mixed with terrifying porn
http://blog.seiha.org/?p=821

Eternal Kingdom - some RPG I haven't played, but it seems to have surprisingly high production values:
http://www.studio-ego.co.jp/ego/game/av/index.html

And then there are games that fall between the two camps, where a normal genre has been given a (usually hilarious) full-on gameplay-affecting adult theme:

Line-Kill Spirits - fighting game where you have to pull out your camera mid-combo and take upskirt photos to do damage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgiZPmFhMBg

Tifa-Tan X2 - streets of rage, but all the bad guys are trying to grope you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXeOy7yZG2Q

Battle Raper series - at least the title is honest :/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5EaIUy5L2I

Mr Peckerston

Mr Peckerston's picture

Posted: Wed, 23/07/2008 - 20:00

No real people filmed, of course, but I do feel sorry for the animators. They study for years, learning a craft, dreaming of being the next Miyazaki, and wind up drawing thousands of frames of pixellated flange. Poor folk.

Kaladron

Kaladron's picture

Posted: Thu, 24/07/2008 - 10:29

I've never played a hentai game, but it's always surprised me how it's demonised by some. It's not uncommon for hentai to be held up as an example of "how sick those Japs are" (by some people's reasoning), yet there is plenty of "western", live action porn that is far nastier, more twisted and unpleasant than any cartoon sex fantasy, no matter how explicitly its rendered.

You can't degrade and/or physically and emotionally destroy a cartoon.

Ady

Ady's picture

Posted: Thu, 24/07/2008 - 10:34
Ady wrote:

You can't degrade and/or physically and emotionally destroy a cartoon.

Pedobear can!Laughing out loud

________________________________

- "Your hair looks like shit."

Saurian

Saurian's picture

Posted: Fri, 25/07/2008 - 18:54

You're right...some people will think this is a bad thing and some not. Many people think that gentlemens club are a bad things for mans. I think that someone it's pleased about a thing it's very good.

cover