'an abundance of wicked-fast Ranked Dedicated servers'
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Submitted by Papercut on Mon, 13/08/2007 - 22:19

This is just insane:

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/08/08/behind-the-curtain-the-warhawk-servers/

having to rack up PS3s because you haven't thought about how to manage game servers is not something I would be boasting about.

Also I suspect Dylan Jobe is really a marketing automaton, what with his 'wacky' use of You Tube links at every damned opportunity.

Posted: Tue, 14/08/2007 - 01:42

I knew there'd be a real reason for PS3 sales figures. Laughing out loud

Slightly off topic. Since you can run Yellow Dog on a PS3, could you use it as a cheapo linux webserver in the home?

Madbury

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Posted: Tue, 14/08/2007 - 07:32

cheap?

you could buy a fairly reasonable single U machine for the price of a PS3..... arguably wouldn't be as "fast" but that would be down to the quality of the kernel I suppose.

wait, it could be alright... can you really install linux on it, or can you only run a livecd?

JibberX

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Posted: Tue, 14/08/2007 - 08:45

iirc Yellow Dog is officially endorsed by Sony as the Linux distro for the PS3, so yes you can install a full blown GNU Linux setup onto the PS3. I'm guessing that means you could run LAMP on a PS3 and use it as a webserver. BUT The current release of Yellow Dog isn't optimised for Cell so you're basically running it off of one core (or so I read somewhere) effectively making it (for the moment at least) a rather interesting beard stroking excercise, that has limited potential.

Ofcourse the big drawback is non-redundant data storage. You'd have to run a backup script locally to provide some protection I suppose or mount some external redundant storage. Hardly seems worth it now that I've thought about it Sad

http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/ydl/

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Posted: Tue, 14/08/2007 - 09:53

we need out resident sony fan boy (paper) to check this out.

utilising different cores in linux is piffle paffle so I can't imagine what that is about. maybe there is only one "signed" version of yellow dog floating about from sony, that only has a single cpu supported...

if you could use a different distro that'd be good.

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Posted: Tue, 14/08/2007 - 10:00

I'm probably talking out of my arse then. Maybe it can use some of the cores, but not all of them...

I'm surprised at Paper to be honest I'd have thought he'd have the low down on this. Standards are slipping. Laughing out loud

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Posted: Tue, 14/08/2007 - 13:14

The problem is that there is only one CPU core, and seven specialised cells - there is no good general purpose way to take advantage of those cells under Linux.

You'd have to treat them as specialised co-processors and do something like... offload SSL operations to them. Which would mean adding specific cell hardware support to different apps. Which is never going to happen.

PS3 wouldn't be a cheap server solution at all, you'd spend less using 2U rack mounted kit from HP or Dell. Only way it would be cheaper was if you had a warehouse full of unsold PS3s to get rid of.

In terms of redundant storage, a sensible idea would be a cheap server farm mounting content from shared storage, each running an identical OS install. The bottleneck would be running everything over a single network interface, which rules out any interesting designs you could come up with.

The only reason to be using PS3s here would be a last minute scramble for game servers, and no non-native game server code.

Papercut

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Posted: Tue, 14/08/2007 - 13:44

shirley ibm must be kernelficating for cell, I seem to recall that the kernel for the yellowdog is just running in PowerPC compatibility mode... slash the cell is running in PowerPC mode to make things happen... thats what iirc.

either way I am still not sure how the YellowDog is "Installed" / "run" on PS3 in the first place, any ideas? I might have to go and find out.

curio

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Posted: Tue, 14/08/2007 - 14:01

as it goes its quite exciting in a linux geek kinda way...

http://www.keshi.org/moin/moin.cgi/PS3/Debian/Live

loads of distros being installed on the system sans issues, using the blands xmb Other OS install option.

ker

razy

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